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Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by aka » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:13 pm

That was not good because video on RDP is not good.

"good video" is intuitive definition. Not technical. "good video" is video you can get NOW, THIS YEAR on regular x86 Windows computer.

Ten years ago smooth fullHD was a dream, not "good video". Ten years later, 4K will be "good video" because it will work on every regular computer.

Video over RDP will never be "good video". It is always slower and worse quality than local playback on regular computer NOW.

To get better video in WTware, run local Chrome: https://wtware.com/docs5/chrome.html

To get "good video", use x86 with local full-featured OS.

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by Fantu » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:07 pm

Hi, I'm trying wtware, I installed wtware 5.8.46 on windows 2016 server and I'm using raspberry 3b+ as terminal.
By default the graphic performance was bad, tried to enabling all remotefx thing server side but nothing change, tried some parameters on terminal but seems that wtware have very few things about and no good result.
After I finally gain good performance increase disabling some video streaming/encoding server side (I suppose related to gfx).
I suppose that was not good because win2016 is a virtual machine without dedicated graphic card for hw video encoding and doing sw encoding with cpu, can this affect significantly or it will however be limited by the "low performance" of the raspberry?
My question is not only about playing video but also on basic office use where playing video should be rare but unfortunately by now we have high resolutions by default (1920x1080) and most of the sites are increasingly heavy and with multimedia contents even if not really needed where the scrolling of a simple page becomes like playing a video (even with adblock is enabled).
Is there a way to have more terminal parameters to test or are only those reported here: http://wtware.com/docs5/config.html and other things must be setted/force server side?
Can someone give me some advice on some settings to try for try to have good performance (is not needed high quality video/screen) and possibly not too high cpu usage (is very high also with only 1-2 session active) please?

Thanks for any reply and sorry for my bad english.

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by frexican » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:12 am

Using Dell Wyse 7020 thin clients with Win7 embedded installed. When connecting via RDP client in Win7, it connects with RemoteFX and videos play fine in Youtube and other sites. When booting with WTWare, the client connects with the GFX codec (3 tile) and either plays the same videos at either a much lower framerate or very heavy compression.

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by akatik » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:21 pm

frexican wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:53 pm
Seems like video runs better with RemoteFX vs the GFX codec.
Really? Tell more about your tests.

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by frexican » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:53 pm

Is it possible to force a connection to use RemoteFX? Seems like video runs better with RemoteFX vs the GFX codec.
I followed the instructions at viewtopic.php?f=6&t=47274 and other clients connect with RemoteFX, but can't seem to get the WTware clients to connect with RemoteFX

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by robertvg » Fri May 19, 2017 1:36 pm

akatik wrote:Also check you give all CPUs and CPU cores to virtual machine. Video stream unpacked and then compressed again into RDP format on server, so CPU performance is important for server
On a VM server, would it be better to allocated CPU's or cores to the VM to maximize the performance ?
E.g. we can allocated 8 cpu's each with 1 core.
Or 1 CPU with 8 cores.
Or 2 * 4 etc.

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by akatik » Tue May 02, 2017 9:46 am

robertvg wrote:What would 3D support on a VM add to the client ?
I don't know. 3D is not only 3D but GPU - graphical processing unit. It can help server to decode youtube video stream. Then it can help to encode stream into RDP video format. Or not. Microsoft can tell mode.

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by robertvg » Mon May 01, 2017 6:59 pm

Well you must be right, probably at the same moment I have allocated more CPU's to the VM.
I have now configured 2 virtual sockets * 4 cores = 8 CPU's and small resolution videos are running smoothly.
What would 3D support on a VM add to the client ?

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by akatik » Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:02 pm

Does 3D support option for server virtual machine affect video performance in client? I am surprised. Please, check it again to be absolutely sure. Also check you give all CPUs and CPU cores to virtual machine. Video stream unpacked and then compressed again into RDP format on server, so CPU performance is important for server. But 3D is strange to me.

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by robertvg » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:53 pm

Found it: 3D support was not enabled on the VMware W2K16 VM - after selecting Windows 10 as the OS the 3D options became available and video is now running smoothly on the WTware client.
Perfect :-)

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by akatik » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:21 pm

robertvg
Please, read the first message in thread.

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by robertvg » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:59 pm

Our RDS server is a VM. Is there anything special I would need to do to enable RemoteFX ?
Because we experience slow and stuttering movies when we play them (e.g. Youtube movies)

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by aka » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:45 am

Here are videos:
http://download.blender.org/peach/bigbu ... p_h264.mov
http://download.blender.org/peach/bigbu ... p_h264.mov
http://download.blender.org/peach/bigbu ... p_h264.mov
Run internet RDP session with 1920x1080 resolution.
Open videos in media player in RDP session, maximize video window to full screen.
Do you see difference between image quality of these three videos?
Then run 1080p locally, not in RDP. Do you see difference between 1080p in RDP and 1080p locally?
Then run 480p locally, not in RDP. Which image quality is better - 480p locally or 1080p over RDP?

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by Wouwie » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:43 pm

I don't quite understand.
Raspberry Pi2 with Kodi plays movies in HD on 40" TV's like a charm.

Internet RDP connection from Win2016 on Proliant DL360 server without special graphic card to Win10 on 8 year old PC with onboard graphics plays full screen 1080p youtube movies pretty good.
Could be better with remote FX and quardro card in server.

So, why will thin client never be able to play full screen video nicely?

Re: 5.4.54-5.4.62 - new graphics for 2012R2

by aka » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:36 pm

Full screen video will NEVER be nice on thin client. WTware plays youtube in RDP session on Raspberry at quarter of screen, and I think it's amazing.

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